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@@FoxyPercival714 it is!

@@IndieAlpaca Okay, just checking. Loved the video. Stay awesome.

I'm in a constant state of craving pop tarts and I can never have them

Gluten free gang lets gooooo

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I can’t enter the contest for it due to me being outside the US :[ Now I’m sad

Great question! Short answer is no. Long answer is most what we refer to as "AI" right now is "generative AI", which is used to generate images, video, and text based on data that usually has been sourced without consent, displaced jobs, and requires lots of resources to use. My model is by an Artist (Teevz), is voice acted by me, and only requires my computer to make. It wouldn't be considered AI by most folks, but even if it was, it makes sure to avoid the issues of generative AI.

5:02 The cycle IS real and its not just the 'ancients' who are stuck in it, one of the first things Five Pebbles tells you is 'every living thing shares that same frustration'. There's a lot of theories about cycles being reincarnation, etc. The one I think aligns with the ludonarrative the best is you do not 'respawn' in the same timeline you died in. That's why the Mark of Communication is kept even if you die before hibernating after meeting Pebbles, you technically already got it from another timeline's version of himself. I like to think this also explains why every scug eventually sees a bunch of copies of themselves in the void sea - they're reuniting with every version of themselves that is trapped in the cycle. 5:12 They weren't the first to discover the void. Countless ancient civilisations had discovered and built on top of the void only to be eaten away at it. 5:20 Ascension existed long before what Moon calls the 'Void fluid revolution'. The ascetic lifestyle resulting in death WAS that way. Only after they (The Benefactors, as Pebbles calls them NOT the Ancients who made the Subterranean temple thing) realised the same fuel they had been using to power everything could also be used to annihilate yourself so thoroughly that you could also ascend (that's why they're called mass rarefaction cells! :D). Though because a void fluid bath wasn't a slow gradual process of divorcing yourself from what tied you to this world - echoes were created. Whether or not the benefactors were aware of echoes we literally do not know. Alternatives to void fluid baths were probably because throwing yourself into a vat of liquid entropy wasn't painless. Also the only link to echoes being caused by having 'too much ego' comes from Moon, who herself admits that she doesn't have the highest opinion of the benefactors, she's written with bais like all Iterators are. Scugs are able to ascend via void fluid because of the Karma mechanic showing them shed their ties (Pebbles giving them the Mark is a shortcut as he brainblasts a humble rat with literal eons of knowledge on the topic as opposed to just getting clues from Echoes.)

As for the 'riches and status bit' - again, I strongly disagree. In the pearl you're quoting Moon literally calls Void fluid baths 'cheap' - in Subterranean you also see a bunch of trains and ruined pathways to the fuckin' public access big vat of void fluid (Moon points these out.) Some Benefactors chose Void Fluid Baths because they didn't want to slowly waste away to ascend - others DID want to slowly waste away as they were rightfully sceptical of just flinging yourself into oblivion based on what was essentially a hunch. There were of course, people who didn't want EITHER of those, but the main reason why Iterators were tasked with finding the Triple Affirmative was because they wanted everything to be able to ascend too (a bug doesn't have the mind to willingly starve itself and a potted plant can't just walk into void fluid). The Iterator Project is repeatedly described as '(The Benefactors) gift to the world' - and they meant that literally rocks, gas, etc. should ALSO be able to ascend. Though this does not mean Iterators were made just to solve the TA. Moon and Pebbles both mention helping their civilians with regular municipal duties too - Pebbles mentions shortly after his birth he mostly dedicated his life to receiving and answering what was basically god fanmail/hatemail lol. Pebbles also mentions him not being a 'medical facility' which clearly implies some iterators existed to do that - they're big computers with a bunch of robot arms! They could do a lot of things! 6:09 I honestly think the Benefactors WERE smart enough to solve the TA, they just didn't have the time. An iterator 'iterates' by running a specified task over and over again really fast - too fast for them to keep pace. They were 'Blessed with an ever shrinking Population' long before the project started because plenty of people were ascending the old fashioned way. They made entropy-powered super computers and bio-engineered literally every single living organism in the area, they're pretty smart! Minor semantic thing, the Supercomputer and Iterator AI are the same thing - Pebbles is both the little pink twink in orange AND the giant facility made out of rot, the puppet is solely so the Benefactors could give their god a concrete appearance. 7:06 as far as we know, most of an Iterator's water intake was to hydrate the biological organisms inside themselves. Moon is (somewhat) alive and doesn't produce rain because her organs technically have all the water they need ;). 7:45 Again, I wouldn't pin it on the 'rich and powerful' - the Iterators are pretty clearly public projects. This is a declining civilisation having to concentrate what was left of their population onto the top of the thing they had tasked to keep their work going after they were all gone. The benefactors were 'Across the River and have Kicked out the Boat' at the time of having to live ontop of Iterators. 7:53 I also wouldn't really say doomed? Changed? Yes, but not doomed. Rain World (the game) has always been portrayed as an living virtual ecosystem. DragonPropaganda on Tumblr makes a great point of showing how the room Survivor starts in may on the surface look like a natural cave teeming with life - but on closer inspection you see bricks and windows, proof of nature reclaiming! We also see through Spearmaster, Rivulet and ESPECIALLY Saint that the 'natural' state of what the game calls 'Five Pebbles' Facility Grounds' is a barren frozen wasteland, where even the literal apex-predator super cancer Rot is dying out. Moon tells Saint that this world is quickly coming to an end, and it sure feels like it - with even the plant life dying out (Popcorn Plants, for example, no longer sprout live seeds anymore - just dead husks.) The Iterators may have brought lethal torrential rain (how frequently we don't' know, Rain World clearly does not operate on a time scale identical to ours) yes, but it also brought warmth and life to the surrounding area. Ironic isn't it? Those tasks with creating an escape from the cycle of life and death only helped support it. Whether or not the rain is THIS lethal everywhere else in the world is not clear. Moon mentions eventually modern iterators were designed with the knowledge they'd just water cycle all of their needed water into their own self-made lakes - but Pebbles high usage rate is clearly shown to be an outlier. All the rain we experience in-game comes from him, and both siblings explain he's producing so much rain because his cancerous Rot is leeching off of him. Spearmaster shows that the water usage for solving the TA was much lower than what Pebbles' Rot was doing. After he 'dies' in Rivulet's campaign the rain becomes much more sparse. I could mention outer expanse, where you can walk far enough to see land untouched by his rain - but the Benefactors canonically never lived there long enough due to the ground being too unstable to build on. But, take note, that this area does not exist in Saint's time! When all local Iterator life is dead - implying Pebbles' residual heat and water was what allowed that lush jungle to exist. 8:24 This is the biggest point I disagree with. Iterators aren't 'computers' - they're people. The whole tragedy with Moon and Pebbles is that they were beings with thoughts, opinions, FLAWS - but were expected to carry out their duty like tireless machines. That's why Pebbles resents being called a bug!!!! That's why Moon slips up and calls the benefactors parasites! Though I can't blame the Benefactors entirely either, they did evidentially view Iterators as their children, different Iterator cities bathed them in praise and affection - even Five Pebbles' own people campaigned against a vote on him being destroyed because they cared about him! You can't solve a question about life and death using maths, that's why they gave the Iterators life! Why they could feel the karmic urges, why they could argue about rock swatting, why whole Sliverist vs Triangulator thing existed. 8:26 Especially ironic considering Pebbles LOVES art and music. Moon doesn't understand the art pearls you give her, even when she's alive, but Pebbles can tell you what it represents and who made it - he dedicated a good chunk of his memory banks to an obscure farmer's poems! 8:54 Another 'Rich and Wealthy' thing - we know for a fact all Benefactors ascended the old fashioned way eventually. They kept the Iterators online after the 'global ascension' because they wanted every single thing in the world to ascend too (and because they just had the human fear of the unknown with void fluid). It wasn't done out of greed or ignorance, it was at worst misguided philanthropy. The slugcats certainly benefited from this choice, even if it came at the long term suffering of the Iterators - which I find odd if this Rain World is supposed to be against AIs like you said. It wasn't the 1% that benefitted from the Iterators, every Benefactor did - they had too! The surface world had become to dangerous for intelligent life to go about their business, that's why Shelters are usually only big enough for a few slugcats - they were for the wildlife. Note I said 'for intelligent life' more base animals like scavs, scugs and lizards clearly have no problem thriving in these conditions - scavenger tolls are a clear sign of life adapting and overcoming this extreme change. 10:10 The Iterators couldn't solve the TA (as far as we know ;)) partly because of the self destruction taboo removing DEATH from a question about LIFE AND DEATH and more so because they were living people made to repeat an arduous task thousands of times a second FOREVER and with their 'godlike in comparison' existence alienating them from the struggles of the creatures crawling on the floor of their facility (why help a simple organism when it is unaware that it is suffering in a cycle of life and death?). Wrapping it up, yeah I simply cannot call Iterators parallels to our useless AI slop-producers. They aren't cold, calculating machines like HAL-9000 or SHODAN. They aren't faceless 'content' factories like genAI. They're just people, born into a unenviable situation where they must toil away endless at a question they literally cannot get the answer for. Even when their minds fail them and they collapse into a hunk of frozen rust, they must keep working on that task, even with the knowledge they will never be able to benefit from the solution. Five Pebbles' theme literally being called 'Random Gods' - being composed of both the incomprehensible noise of a vast, whirring machine AND the deep sense of grief from hurting the only family he had - tells you literally everything you needed to know about what an Iterator represents. 'I cannot help you. I cannot even help myself.' Which is why if Rain World was suppose to make me dislike genAI even more than I already do, it completely failed. I PERSONALLY don't think this is a story about rich people creating a shitty solution to a problem people have already solved that fucks everyone over in the long term. Survivor's journey to find their family, the tragedy of Looks to the Moon's and Five Pebbles, the demise of the Benefactors and every other civilisation before and after them are all footnotes in a story about what exists after death. As the ending of Saint's campaign puts it; 'trying to understand what lies beyond a point of no return, while having yet to pass it'. But if you'd like to hear a video game story about how shitty automation fucks over working people while making the environment worse solely for the profit of the rich... Could I interest you in the plot of Fallout 76? Seriously! It says a lot! no? okay.. oh and uh, I'm sorry that you had to work for Adult Swim Games, even for QA - everything I heard about them seems to be nothing but disaster, ESPECIALLY all those indie devs that lost the publishing rights to their own fucking games!!!!!

Thanks youtube! I really wanted to put this all into one post >:(

woah! awesome to see someone else with the same thoughts, the moment I saw that they based their idea of lore off of dazombes short summary of rain world video I knew it would have some errors haha, gotta beat the cycle of misinformation on here :) the pearls reveal way more than a lot of people realize! just gotta read them a few times to truly understand

@@Nilon241 Noooo RUclips whyyyyy I'm always up for hearing what people think or letting me know when my interpretation is incorrect. If you gotta post it in parts that's okay!

@@IndieAlpaca I thinks its to do with me mentioning religion? Does the algo think I'm trying to start something?

I appreciate the attention to detail! Thank you for the corrections. I hope that even if my interpretation isn't quite in line with canon that the video still made for a good watch.

​@@IndieAlpaca It is also worth noting that the world is crumbling due to void fluid slowly taking over. Just like what happened to the depths, also the climate change was pretty much global by Saint I think

​@@IndieAlpaca I also want to mention that iterators had actual reasons to be made. However, the Ancients' design is super flawed, as iterators were doomed to never find the solution anyways. Reason? They can't test if they did find the solution. They are machines of thinking and logic, not testing and correcting. The only way they could know a solution is right or not was like the failed experiments of the rot and sliver of straws random disappearance.

We have suicide!!!! (This is a joke)

​@@shadowwisperzDID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE CYCLE ?? /j

Huh, that's super cool! I haven't delved too deep into the lore presented in downpour but I love those details.

Iterators are more similar to living flesh supercomputer machines made from microbial stratum, while they also function somewhat similar to GLADOS from Portal

What this video points out isnt about AI intelligence nor awareness, it is about the mass amounts of water consumptiom currently happening being parallel to the events of rain world

It is

Rain world is a lot of things.

Can do! More Rain World videos, video essays about games, or something else?

I'd like more video essays :)

I appreciate the thought! I've always struggled with titles and thumbnails; if you were to title this, what would you call it and how would you avoid sounding pretentious? (Genuine question; I wasn't trying to sound pretentious I just struggle to title things)

Thank you!!

Hope you reap what you sow one day for your intolerance of your fellow men ❤

Wow! This coming from the same people who won’t stop whining about running out of stolen data to feed your programs. If your AI needs to be fed more images, you’re a bad model maker. And guess what? The people who give you all that data couldn’t care less either. :)

@@Midnightlunar10 Nobody cares, literally, nobody cares! he doesn't care, the companies don't care, nobody cares about us, all money.

So artists, animators, writers, authors, journalists, musicians, and all of that... are all bad decision makers? Once you've "replaced" all of them with your AI in the future you believe is coming, good luck generating anything original. Everything your AI can generate will be an amalgamation of what already exists. Also... I'm convinced you didn't watch the video. At all. This video's main topic isn't AI replacing jobs, it's about a much, much bigger problem. And should this continue, *you will die too.*

​​@@wingidon Why doing all of that when you can slap the true human brain in the machine and call it an AI and then clone the mind and turn it into a large language model /j